Curse

darkmexican92 · Aug 24, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

stop QQing, popular builds will always find their way to players regardless of anything

Kumu Honua · Aug 25, 2009, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Pugs are full of idiots. I don't do it. Not gonna deal with it.

My friends let me run whatever I want. We steamroll like always.

My bar?

R/Rt
PI
Assa
Naga summon
Signet of spirits
bloodsong
volley
dshot
fomf

Most definitely not pvx. I just like summoning all sorts of things for combat.

Auron of Neon · Aug 25, 2009, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

My bar?

R/Rt
PI
Assa
Naga summon
Signet of spirits
bloodsong
volley
dshot
fomf

Most definitely not pvx. I just like summoning all sorts of things for combat.

lol.

...just lol.

Kumu Honua · Aug 25, 2009, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Pray tell. What's so lol?

Why so serious? It's pve. I could run with an empty bar...

stuntharley · Aug 25, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

PvX builds in HA FAIL, so you must be under rank 3.

ShadowbaneX · Aug 25, 2009, 01:37 AM // 01:37

my guild is fond of random-way. It's fun.

fleshharvest · Aug 25, 2009, 01:09 PM // 13:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kumu Honua

Why so serious? It's pve. I could run with an empty bar...

You might as well be.

EDIT: Might as well throw in my opinion. PvX is fine. Most people who never play anything on PvX are the same people using Healing Breeze, Ignite Arrows, Power Shot, Escape, Troll, etc. The people copying PvX skill by skill, are going to fail half the time because builds need to be modded for different areas. Also, most of the hero builds on PvX are atrocious.

Anywho, PvX isn't ruining the game, people who have been playing for 4 years and haven't learned game mechanics are.

imnotyourmother · Aug 25, 2009, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by harpharp

why cant people accept that instead of going omg, this wont work kick even before they look at your skillbar?

^ Exactly. Here is the thing. The problem with the game is that people can SEE your skills.

This should be REMOVED in GW2. IF you find a great build.. NO ONE should be able to just join your party and steel your build cause well...they can.

If I spend a week making a build say - Hard mode Snow Wums for War getting Legendary Survivor then by gosh I should not be able to see it a day later on Pvx cause I helped someone.

This is crap. If someone wants to share their build that is one thing..but to steel it is just wrong.

Earth · Aug 25, 2009, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

^ Exactly. Here is the thing. The problem with the game is that people can SEE your skills.

This should be REMOVED in GW2. IF you find a great build.. NO ONE should be able to just join your party and steel your build cause well...they can.

If I spend a week making a build say - Hard mode Snow Wums for War getting Legendary Survivor then by gosh I should not be able to see it a day later on Pvx cause I helped someone.

This is crap. If someone wants to share their build that is one thing..but to steel it is just wrong.

Lol?

First of all you don't have to show your build.
Second of all you don't own a build, and if you show it to someone and it works then it's pretty damn obvious they'll share it.

Seriously, PvX is not destroying the game. It's the players' mentality.

ArlanKels · Aug 25, 2009, 01:59 PM // 13:59

What's hurting the game isn't PvX, a site like PvX will exist in this day and age and nothing can be done to stop it.

What's hurting the game is that people are acting like this is SERIOUS BUSINESS when they do something like a NM ordinary mission run. They demand you use certain builds, certain skills.

Pinkest One · Aug 25, 2009, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by ArlanKels

What's hurting the game is that people are acting like this is SERIOUS BUSINESS when they do something like a NM ordinary mission run. They demand you use certain builds, certain skills.

I myself don't like running with a mending+Dolyak sig tank, ill suggest them something else to use or kick them if they don't cooperate. I call it "Leading a Team".

PVX does a lame version of the same thing. Don't think its bad nor SRS BSNS.

qvtkc · Aug 25, 2009, 02:47 PM // 14:47

PvX is good for idiots who don't know the game well enough to make their own builds.

That said, a very very large part of the community consist of idiots who don't know the game well enough to make their own builds. In other words, PvX is good for them.

That doesn't mean it's a good thing to demand that everyone should use PvX builds. If you can put together an efficient build that's not on PvX, that should be fine. Unfortunately, see above, the party leader is most likely an idiot who don't know the game well enough to judge a build by himself. So of course he'll demand PvX builds since even though he's an idiot, he at least knows that PvX stuff works.

Oh, and by good build, I mean actually good build, not something like, trapper elementalist or Fireball monk.

One thing remains in my argument. Is there efficient builds that are not on PvX?

A quick glance reveals that some lolcrap Triple Chop build is listed under "great general PvE builds" for warriors. But there is no half decent, general PvE Hundred Blades build listed under "great". Point proven as I'm sure this is not the only example.

glacialphoenix · Aug 25, 2009, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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NO ONE should be able to just join your party and steel your build cause well...they can.

If they wanted to steal your build, pinging it just makes it more convenient. All they have to do is watch you activate the skills in battle.

willie nelson · Aug 25, 2009, 03:06 PM // 15:06

1.find decent guild
2.stop PUGing
3.??
4.profit

Spiritweaver · Aug 25, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

There's nothing wrong with PvX. They don't tell you what you should or shouldn't run, players in-game do. All they do is document commonly used builds. Is the site perfect? Far from it, but then neither is GWG.

9/10 times players in a group tell you to switch your build because either your build fails horribly, isn't optimal, or it doesn't synergize with the rest of the parties setup. Not that all players are right, but if you get two or three telling you the same thing then there's generally a good reason for it in most cases, and they're probably more likely right than wrong.

If you're going to join a PuG then you better bring the best you've got because PuGs get sick of failing because people run sub-par builds just for the sake of running something original rather than running something optimal. If you want to be original do it with your heroes and hench or do it with your friends until you know for sure the build you are using is at it's most optimal.

Daesu · Aug 26, 2009, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by harpharp

every time i join a group, there would be at least one who insist i copy and paste every skill taken from pvx. Usually i cbb, but it really annoys me when you know there are better alts out there but cant use cos the group might kick you and you have to do things as a group e.g. uwsc, ha, e.t.c.

I used to love pvx, but got so sick of all these people insist you must copy everything that is shown there. If theres a better skill out there, why cant people accept that instead of going omg, this wont work kick even before they look at your skillbar?

This proves that the anti-hero, pro-pugging people are wrong when they say that most people pug to socialize. Most people pug JUST TO GET THE MISSION DONE! Not to socialize.

This is why they try so hard to ensure that their team uses "proven" pvx builds. Rather than "untested" and unknown builds that may or may not be effective.

The fact that they are willing to kick you out of their team for using an unproven build, already shows that socializing isn't their main concern. Face it, they are not interested to know you as a person, you are merely a tool for them to reach their goals.

RedNova88 · Aug 26, 2009, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Whether or not PvX was around popular builds would still hit the community, albeit slightly more gradually. The fact remains though that sooner or later it would get to everyone interested. If you want to blame something blame the community itself. They are the ones so shallow and stubborn that they don't allow anything less than some FotM build.

Play with friends. Play with INTELLIGENT people. Only idiots grab at the assumption that anything but PvX is bad.

Qing Guang · Aug 26, 2009, 06:05 AM // 06:05

I PUG all the time, and I can't recall a time in recent history (ie the last year or so of play) that someone has asked me to run a PvX build. Occasionally they'll ask me to substitute a skill or something, and sometimes they dislike my hero monk's build and ask me to kick mine so they can add theirs, but other than that... nothing.

Maybe it's because when they see my build, they give me up as a lost cause, since my builds are so weird. They don't even complain about my elite, which is weird... my current darling is Ride the Lightning, and before that it was Shockwave. My ele couldn't keep herself out of melee if her life depended on it.

Or maybe it's all just due to my habit of never pinging my bar unless someone explicitly asks?

kazi_saki · Aug 26, 2009, 06:13 AM // 06:13

lol people are still complaining about PvX wiki? Some use it, some don't. What's your problem?

Its a tool. Its there to collect all the builds, trash or great, that many of the players come up with. If some players prefer you use a build from there its your choice if you want to use it.

There's also no shame in using builds from PvX. Some people just want to play the game without bothering much on analyzing skills too deep. Some people think its shameful because they didn't come up with it themselves. Also there are a few players out there who want to be "elitist" or have that feelign of superiority in a game that is very balanced so they found it in "looking down at pvx nubs".

I think that people will eventually end up using the same skillbar for their profession if it seems to work.

Also, some people just have unique playstyles and I think people should understand that. I have a friend who has played as long as me (1 year) but who has crazy/weird/lol builds but its still all fun :P

Daesu · Aug 26, 2009, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by RedNova88

Play with friends. Play with INTELLIGENT people. Only idiots grab at the assumption that anything but PvX is bad.

QFT.

Pvx builds are generally good but very few of them are what I would consider optimal builds. Meaning there are better buidls than these, especially if you take the specific areas into account.

The problem the OP is talking about is not actually a problem with pvx but with close-minded people refusing to take risks or to trust you. I run a spirit spamming rit with a pet and GDW. I dont see the build accepted in pvx yet but I dont care. I can draw out a pvx build from my templates, ping it, then revert back to my own.